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Brexit

Postby Forrest » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:42 pm

It's all turning into a bit of a shambles, eh? A general election is likely to turn up a similar result to what we have now, while a second EU referendum is likely to deliver the same result as before too, unless the leave vote is split hard and soft.

Really hope we can escape the Westminster mess and go our own way.
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Re: Brexit

Postby anders » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:04 pm

Agree. Westminster's wisdom seems to be that as their plan lacks support they'll tinker with it and keep going with the same (failing) stuff instead of seeing that a big change to their approach is needed.

Think it's time we have England their independence and carried on in our more socially advanced way.
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Re: Brexit

Postby Jambojim52 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:35 am

Can't understand Westminster's thinking. You have a choice. Bad deal or no deal, everyone knows no deal is a disaster, so it's down to Hobson's choice.
Ministers that claim to believe in the democratic process, that are trying to derail Brexit, should be forced to stand down as they are hypocrites.

However the one think that is certain, should Berxit not go ahead and we stay in the EU, the biggest loser is democracy, and the next election will see the lowest ever voting numbers. All those who voted LEAVE will question why they should go out in the rain to vote, when they can change it to suit themselves.
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Re: Brexit

Postby anders » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:46 am

Democracy? Denying people the right to choose between KNOWN no-deal implications and KNOWN May's deal implications and KNOWN Norway-style implications is democratic? I think we see things differently Jim.

1.4 million new young voters added to the electorate since 2016, Over 1 million died - all ages but predominantly older -removed from the electorate since then. The people who'd have to live with it deserve a chance to express their view too imo.
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Re: Brexit

Postby Jambojim52 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:42 am

You can say that about any election though. When the people voted leave, not one single person expected it to drag on this long ( and longer with the buffer ). They should have been much stronger in the negotiations, First BIG mistake was taking the 38 billion out by agreeing to pay too quickly. That was the greatest bargaining tool and they blew it.
No matter how you voted, the fact remains leave won, they are refusing another Indy vote claiming it was a one off, Now they want another Brexit vote ( and still denying indy ) which is hypocritical to say the least.
If you want to go down the route of another Brexit vote why not do the same at every election when the party you don't want gets in. It would be chaos.
The people voted leave and we should do just that, If May's deal is crap then blame the Tories and vote them out next time.
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Re: Brexit

Postby anders » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:18 pm

'do the same at every election '. Well we do don't we? It's set in stone. a few years after an election we get to review if things are as we were told they'd be, or if circumstances have changed making us want to think again about our choice, and we hold the vote again. J

'Vote the tories out'. Scotland can't.
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Re: Brexit

Postby HC. » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:01 pm

Shame on David Cameron for pandering to the right of his party and promising a referendum.
Shame on Teresa May for failing to show any political intelligence in her whole handling of this fiasco.
Shame on Jeremy Corbyn for sitting on the fence and giving the Tories carte blanche to do whatever they want.

May their complicity in this whole debacle be highlighted in the history books forever more.
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